Cereal with Class: July 2009

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my blog becoming a comment page all of a sudden...XD will try my best to post something other than comments. At the moment, be patient and read the comments, K?

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Well, the Education Minister has agreed to used back BM for primary and secondary school education or maybe even future in college or university. As in future Malaysia will become 1 Malaysia 1 Language and bringing Malaysia back to Stone Age. For those who can speak and write English have to be feel glad to what government has been decided. The reason why I said so is because we can find job much more easier in future and get better offer than those who only can speak and write Malay. I'm have to say “Sorry-lar” to you guys which only can speak and write Malay cause you all have to take number and wait for Malaysia government to hire you or those company who only having Malaysia internal business.

Here was my comments to all those support English.
The goverment has build the road for us to use but that doesn't mean we must use whatever they provide. If the road was jammed or what we still can pay toll to reach our destination. (Try to figure out what I hint.)

And those only support Malay I having some inquires.
Last Saturday I called to Mc Donald to place an order. That guy keep on denied Mc Donald have Fried Chicken and only have Ayam Goreng only. And I wasted 2 minute to explain what is Fried Chicken to that fella. May I know what the differences in between Fried Chicken and Ayam Goreng?

So don’t feel sad or disappointed bout what government has been decided. They have give our life more valueble and chances. We must feel proud of us and keep moving forwards!

MALAYSIA BOLEH!! APA-APA PUN BOLEH!!!

TWO:
wah this guy very brave wei...

Hello Tun

I am very disappointed when the government want to change our learning language for mathematics and science back to BM.
I disagree with the government.I hate the government's new education system.When I heard the first time,I feel that the government was very very stupid.
Why would the government think something stupid out of his head.The government making this decision for what? Because they don't care about the future for us.
Now, the 21st century, we should try to communicate everywhere in this world, if we learn mathematics and science in Bahasa Malaysia then how i want to read the information about the science in internet how i can read and learn that?
Now I have two little brothers,one is 6 years old and another is 8 years old.I don't know when my two little brothers, in the future how they will learn the science form the internet through the international website. I don't want them to drag out by the stupid idiot government from making them to learn SCIENCE and MATHEMATICS in BM.
Now I don't believe the government new education system anymore.I feel I'm still lucky that because I was gave birth in 1998.Please tell the stupid government not to change our current education system.

Thank you for reading this Tun
From Lim Ting Yuan

THREE:

Hello Tun (and others who read the comments),

I am a product of the BM affirmative action of the 80s and 90s. English was my 'native' tongue so to speak so I struggled with learning subjects in BM. This I believe is the condition of most townies. However, we did our best and I am currently embarking on a career in the sciences as a researcher.

My example cannot be used to show that BM is a good medium for teaching the sciences. It was in spite of BM that I excelled. My interest in science came because my parents fed my curiousity with books of science from an early age and these books were always english. With the internet, I can now access research articles 24/7 and these are all also in english.

My point being that substantial amounts of material must be made available before we can hope for BM to be considered a valid scientific language. The total amount of material published in BM is not enough to satisfy a curious mind.

The example of Phillipines versus Japan is ludicrious. Japan was a power during WWII while Phillipines was a colony. Japan had legions of scientists even during the 1940s. Even today, research articles are printed in English as it is the lingua franca, just as latin was used in binomial nomenclature. Are we next going to change the scientific names of every species on earth?

Even Astro is in english. Discovery channel, National Geographic etc are my faves. Looking at the BM subtitles make me squirm, its very badly translated and sometimes turns an innocent comment obscene.

There is no such thing as inborn predisposition to a racial language. A child is born with the capacity for learning language, any language. Its exposure that counts. If rural kids really have a problem then perhaps the goverment ought to run programs at the kindergarten level. Please, has anyone consulted child development specialists? If the purpose is to make scientists then please consult those already in the field and ask us what are our requirements. Ask us what do we need to fill in the shortage of manpower/brainpower and what is needed to stop the braindrain.

My fave BM quote is 'susah-susah dahulu, senang-senang kemudian'. On this premise is the basis of all success, all over the world. Take it to heart dear leaders of my beloved Malaysia. If not, it remains questionable who the real patriots are.

My thanks,
D-CAM

ALL FOR NOW!!!!

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I'll use different colours so you can know which is which. :]
Forgive me if you think its too boring.

For ppl that think Maths and Science should be taught in BM? pls think twice...
1) What we know is everyone in this world is using ENGLISH to communicate to each other... What if we want to be scientist? Doctors? Enginniers? How we going to use scientific terms if we learnt in BM?
2) Learning english grammer is ain't enough...
In NEW YORK TIMES, they critize that we malaysians going to roll back to olden times?
3) I can't imagine how younger generation gonna relearn in college or uni since they learn science and maths in BM?
Does government want to change english to BM at college and uni as well?

It is good if we learn BM, this issue i agree..
But changing english into BM? NO..
1) What government can do that they can increase the quality of the teacher, increase the time for BM in school... Honestly, some of the BM teachers in SMK don't teach at all.. or just teach is simply... Maybe cause we're chinese? I've been a BM tuition teacher before, but my students don't like the subject... i have to crack my head to think ways to let them learn BM... Not to teach them BM in every subject...

This is my phrase>> Objects are dead, we humans are alive.. What we can do is control and change the object, not the object control us..

This one is funnier...
Read below :-

Why Malaysian Government insists on using English for maths and science?
This is because the whole world uses the language as an information and/or technology language. How dangerous it will be if we try to use Bahasa, especially in school.

See examples below:-

Hardware = barangkeras
Software = baranglembut
Joystick = batang gembira
Plug and Play = cucuk dan main
Port = lubang
Server = pelayan
Client = pelanggan

Try to translate this:

ENGLISH:

That server gives a plug and play service to the client using either hardware or software joystick. The joystick goes into the port of the client.

Now in BAHASA MALAYSIA:

Pelayan itu memberi pelanggannya layanan cucuk dan main dengan menggunakan batang gembira jenis keras atau lembut. Batang gembira itu akan dimasukkan ke dalam lubang pelanggan.

Now you know WHY...

This one is considerate:
I totally disagree with the government decision. I do not understand why they want to change it back to B.M after so much of effort have been put in by the teachers and students. From my point of view, by changing it back to BM, those who will suffer the most are the students and teachers. Are the government the one going to study the subject? No! It's the student that will be studying. So do the government know how difficult will it be for the students and teacher to adapt the changes? How can the government not consider for the students and teachers? In addition, everyone knows that learning in English gives us more benefit in all ways.Besides, English is an international language as it is world wide used but is BM known world wide? Can it be used in every country? BM will never get extinct as it is still taught in schools and it is also still commonly used in Malaysia. So why afraid?

This one is weird...

Short answer: No. I do not support the decision to teach Maths and Science in BM.

Longer answer: Since Tun has illustrate examples in a bigger picture, I will just share my view on learning to count which is first learning in Maths for all school children.

Just do a simple count in BM and English:

BM: Sa-tu, Du-a, Ti-ga, Em-pat, Li-ma
English: One, Two, Three, Four, Five

Any primary student that learn to count in English can count twice as fast (not talking on 1 to 100).

With the different starting ground, those who learn to count in BM are already at a great disadvantage. The disadvantage continue and the gap widen as they move up.

This one is..well, funny+true (sorry to Malays :]? )

Salam Tun,
If Tun look around the world,and observe all the Ministers in the world, it is obvious that only Malaysian Ministers (sorry to say, most of the Malay Ministers)are overweight and with busting belly, so it shows how much they think well and work.All effective Ministers are slim (fat ones are clumsy and sluggish and i think mostly will be sleepy and lazy).
This decision to abolish PPSMI would only destroy the Malays more in the future, not the other races. The Malays will become too complacent, too dependant & spoon-fed & even too lazy to learn other language. Look at our commentator Mahadhir who can speak many languages to his advantage (sought after by many corporations).Imagine if he only know Bahasa, would he be what he is today? So, the ones that lost the most are Malays come 2015! English papers like The Star, NST etc will have to be in Bahasa after 2015 as most readers would not be proficient in English.A Lost-lost situation for the future Malay generations. The urban Malays had to make a big sacrifice for the rural Malays in PPSMI.Makes no sense. Government should implement all languages Maths & Sci depending on each school's choice of language.This will have a wider spread of education,we are multi racial country so education should also be multi-lingual,makes Malaysia even more colorful and exciting!!Pls. revert to PPSMI.Do not support Govertment in Bahasa for Maths & Sci.(playing fire with the next generation's future).Malays would be lagi looked down upon by others and by the world who only can understand technical stuff in Bahasa. We are going backward to Indonesian country while Indonesia is moving & progressing & more liberal.Next time Malaysia will become Indonesia and Indonesia will become Malaysia (reverse effect).Education system can change the nation and people and economy in the mid to long term. Be very careful.Don't take this lightly!Our country and future are in your hands!

All for NOW...

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I went to see the website again...lalalalalala...
the below comment so far is my favourite. :]

1) Gather feedbacks from students who self-experienced PPSMI. As far as I know, 2 of my siblings were lucky enough to learn Science and Maths in English. They were really grateful to whoever implemented it because it really got them through their pre-u studies smoothly WITHOUT using any Malay-English for Science dictionaries like I did. 2) Is it fair to abolish the policy by just looking at how TWO cohorts of students fared in their exams? Does the government really think we have enough statistics to assess the effectiveness of PPSMI? Remember, we just have 2 cohorts of students who did their Science and Maths in English in SPM. They might not have produced good results as they too didn't have the chance to do both subjects fully in English because they did them in BM when they were in primary school. The first cohort of students who is going to benefit thoroughly from PPSMI (as in those who studied Science and Maths in Eng from Year 1 onwards) will only be out of school in 2013 but with this ridiculous reversal, this is not ever gonna happen. 3) If you want to revert the current system, start it from Year 1 or Form 1. Why Year 4 and Form 4? For those who are in Year 1 this year, they will have to learn the same subject i.e. Science and Maths in BM when they did them in English in the first 3 years of their primary education. The same applies to those who are in Form 1 this year which is even worse. Those who are in Form 1 this year are those who did Science and Maths in English from Year 1 onwards. In year 2012, those who are in Form 1 this year will be in Form 4. And for those who opt for Science stream, they will have to learn Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Maths and Add Maths (Science for art-stream students) in BM for just 2 years and after their SPM, when they go to college, they will be doing all of them in English. 9 years in English, 2 years in BM and back to English (most probably) for the rest of their life. PREPOSTEROUS!!!

Submitted by k.tong on Thursday, July 9th, 2009.

WHOOTS.

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